Variations in Records: de Lancaster, de Brus

Variations in Records for Helewyse de Lancaster and Hawise de Lancaster, Margaret de Brus. I (Jody Gray) created this Post to explain edits I made.

https://www.geni.com/people/Helewyse-de-Lancaster/6000000004533944932?through=6000000009440143485

Helewyse de Lancaster -More information

http://www.geneajourney.com/fzrein.html#gilbfzrein

Roger Fitz Reinfrid [a], Sheriff of Sussex and Berkshire, b abt 1116, d aft 1198. The identity of his wife is not known.

Child of Roger Fitz Reinfrid was:

1. Gilbert Fitz Roger Fitz Reinfrid [b], Lord of Kendal,

b abt 1142, of Kendal, Westmorland, England,

d bef 5 May 1220.

He md

[1] Rohaise de Rumare abt 1160, and

[2] Hawise/Helwise de Lancaster bef 20 Jul 1189, daughter of Sir William II de Lancaster, Lord of Kendal, and Hawise/Helwise (Heloise) de Stuteville.

Children of Gilbert Fitz Reinfrid and Hawise/Helwise de Lancaster were:

1. Sir William de Lancaster b abt 1192; md Agnes de Brus.

2. Hawise/Helwise de Lancaster b abt 1205. She md Peter II de Brus abt 1220, son of Peter I de Brus and Joan le Grammaire.

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/17/31266.htm

Hawise DE LANCASTER 593,1562,7718,8407

Born: Abt 1172, Kendal, Westmorland, England

Married: Before 20 Jul 1189 593,7718,8406

Died: After Sep 1226, Kendal, Westmorland, England 7718

General Notes:

Hawise (or Helwise) de Lancaster, only child, Baroness Kendal, living Sep 1226; m. bef. 20 Jul 1189, Gilbert Fitz Rogert Fitz Reinfrid, Lord of Kendal, 1189, who had m. (1) ca. 1156, Rohaise, daughter of William de Rumare, and widow of Gilbert de Gaunt, who d. 1156. Gilbert was Steward to Henry II, in France 1180-89, and later to Richard I; was justice of the King's Court 1185, sheriff of Lancashire 1205-1216, and of Yorkshire 1209-1212, and d. bef. 13 Jun 1220. His father Roger Fitz Reinfrid, was witness to the King's will, Judge 1176, 1198, sheriff of Sussex 1176, and of Berkshire 1186-7. [Ancestral Roots, line 88-27] 593,1562

Marriage Information:

Hawise married Gilbert FITZ REINFRID Lord of Kendal, son of Roger FITZ REINFRID Sheriff of Sussex & Berkshire and Hawise/ Rohaise (Rohese) DE ROUMARE, before 20 Jul 1189 593,7718,8406. (Gilbert FITZ REINFRID Lord of Kendal was born after 1157 in Kendal, Westmorland, England and died before 13 Jun 1220 in Kendal, Westmorland, England 7718.)

http://www.lawrencefamhis.com/ashton-o/p1561.htm#i39024http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~daisy/lawbar.htm

HAWISE de Lancaster . An undated manuscript relating to Cokersand Abbey, Lancashire names “Helewisia” as daughter of “Willielmus de Lancaster secundus” and his wife, adding that she married ”Gilbert filium Raynfridi”[267]. Henry II King of England granted "filiam Willelmi de Lancastre cum tota hæreditate sua" to "Gilleberto filio Rogeri filii Rainfridi, dapifero nostro" by charter dated to [1184/89][268]. A charter of King Henry II names “Helewisam” as daughter of “Willielmum secundum” and his wife “Helewisam de Stuteville”, adding that she married “Gilberto filio Rogeri filii Reynfredi”[269]. “Gilbertus filius Reinfredi et Elewisa uxor eius” donated various churches to Wetherhal priory by undated charter[270]. m ([1184/89]) GILBERT FitzRoger FitzReinfrid Lord of Kendal, son of ROGER FitzReinfrid & his wife --- (Gilbert d. before 1220).

Hawise de Lancaster1

1. 39024, b. circa 1169 (1172)

Hawise de Lancaster was born circa 1169.2 She married Gilbert FitzReinfrid, son of Roger FitzReinfrid and Alice de Breton, on 20 July 1189 in Rouen.3,2

Hawise appears to be the only legitimate child of William II. After his death, Hawise became a ward of William le Mareschal, known as the "perfect knight". She eventually marriage Gilbet FitzReinfrid, with the permission of Henry II.

1184-86, Henry II gave to William Marshal the custody of the heir of William de Lancaster; see Kirkby in Kendale, page 2.5,4

Seems odd that they all died in the same year… death of Helewyse de Lancaster, 9/26/1226, Kendal… her daughter, Hawise de Lancaster, 9/1226, Westmorland… her mother, Heloise de Stuteville ca 1226, Yorkshire

Heloise de Stuteville (Hawise/Helwise) m: William II de Lancaster

  B. ca 1155 d. Ca 1226… 14 yrs old when Helewyse was born

Helewyse de Lancaster m: Gilbert Fitz Roger Fitz Reinfrid

  B. abt 1172 (1169) m: bef 7/20/1189 Gilbert… she d. 9/26/1226

  Age 20 when married… 36 yrs old when Helewyse was born

  Gilbert b. Aft 1157 d. Bef 6/13/1220

Hawise (Helwise) de Lancaster m: Peter II de Brus

  B. abt 1205 m: abt 1220 Peter… she d. 9/1226

  Age 15 when married… 12 yrs old when Margaret was born

Margaret de Brus b. Ca 1218… abt 1238… neither of these dates works; I choose bef 1226 (death of her mother)

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