Jonet de Quincy

(Jody Gray) I thought Jonet was a french name. I was surprised to learn that it was a Surname, see House of Names (below). Used as a ‘given’ name, Jonet, is an Medieval Scottish variant of Janet aka Gennat or Jane. There are many variations of the name; Jonet or Janet are the ones that showed up MANY times in the House of Cockburn Genealogy Book: so it seems to have been a common ‘given’ name in Scotland, in this case, related to the Cockburn Family. Said to be pronounced, jo-net or jon-et. Jonet is a rare ‘given’ name for a girl in the United States.

House of Names: Jonet Surname: The Anglo-Saxon name Jonet comes from the biblical name of Jane. This name was first used in England during the 15th century, and was originally derived from the Old French Jehanne, which also had biblical origins from Johannes. The surname Jonet was first found in Yorkshire, where they held a family seat from very early times. Jonet Spelling Variations: Before the last hundred years, the English had no fast system of spelling rules. Janot, Janet, Jannett, Janette, Jannett, Jenet, Jennet, Jenett. (Jody Gray) I have also found Joan, Jean and Judith aka Jueta.

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*House of Cockburn Genealogy Book: Joneta Lindsay m: II John Cockburn -Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston.   2nd son of Sir Alexander and Mariota de Veteri-Ponte I John de Cokburn (becoming, II John Cockburn of Ormiston) m: Joneta aka Janet Lyndessay aka Lindsay, only child and heiress of Sir Alexander, Lord of Ormiston -through this marriage, John became Lord of Ormiston and from them, Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston. Joneta Ottirburn m: Sir James Cockburn -their son, VII Alexander Cockburn, heir-apparent of Langston.   Joneta, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall by his wife Joneta Stewart. Janet Hume aka Home m: William Cockburn V. Christopher Cockburn of Choicelee m: Jean or Janet, daughter of Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth IX. Sir John Cockburn of Ormiston… He m1: Janet, daughter of Alexander Home of Manderston, Co. Berwick (pg 211) A contract was made 5/21/1583 “between John Cockburn of Ormiston, Mr. John Cockburn, his eldest lawful son and apparent heir, and Janet Home, his spouse… John Cockburn (1620-1680) Governor of Stirling Castle and Hume Castle, Janet Home aka Hume m: William Cockburn Janet m: Cockburn. *Note: (pg 370) The will of James Cokburn of Schouslie, 5/20/1586… daughter, Janet (Cokburn).... Janet Geddes m: G. (George) Cockburn of Henderland Janet Rannie m: Baron Cockburn (pg 142) Janet Somerville m: William Cockburn of Ormiston (pg 197) Janet Hepburn m(1643): John Cockburn of Ormiston Janet of Blackadder m: William Cocburn of Langton Janet Herries m: Sir James Cockburn of Skirling -daughter and co-heiress of William, 3rd Lord Herries of Terregles (pg 482) Tuedy of Drummelzier, James, last Baron of Thane’s Castle Drummelzier, marries Widow of Sir William Cockburn of Skirling -troubles his Mother, Janet Herries, Lady Skirling, 246, 247… Other ‘noteworthy’ Janet Janet Bethune aka Beaton/Beton/Betoun wife of Sir Walter Scott -daughter of Cardinal Beaton. *Seton aka Setoun Family. -moved to PC/Doc: Seton Family. Janet Seton m: Sir John Bellenden of Achinoule (Auchintoul) (pg 480), daughter Elizabeth m? (pg 216) Janet Turnbull m: John Setoun (pg 426)

*Lindsay aka Lyndessay Family.

*BP: de Quincy Family. Sir Alexander Lindsay, Lord of Ormiston; his only daughter and heiress, Joneta aka Janet m: II John Cockburn who through the marriage became Lord of Ormiston and through them, Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston.   (note: Sir Alexander’s youngest nephew, William Lindsay, Lord of Byres, one of the heroes of The Bruce’s time, companion-in-arms of Wallace). (pg 186) Joneta’s father was the next younger brother of Schir Dawy the Lyndyssay… the contract was witnessed 2/23/1370… that morning when John Cockburn and Janet Lindsay walked between the crowd of brave knights and fair ladies to the door of the church… how King David kissed the bride, and led her out to the dance floor afterwards. (pg 187) Accompanying some of them would be the young married dames, and the maidens who were to attend their friend Joneta on the occasion, mounted on mettled palfreys, such as the one William de Seytone brought to Westminster on 12/19/1312, as a gift from Edward to “Lady Nicola,” wife of Piers de Luband, in the days of his prosperity, when he was styled “Dominus de Cokburn.” (pg 188) We may believe that brilliant were the scenes witnessed in after years when Lady Joneta held her Court in the halls of Ormiston. (pg 189) John Cockburn, who was made Constable of the County of Haddington, an office held for generation by his descendants, had by his wife Joneta… (pg 233) Captain George Cockburn… the deeds alienating the heritage which had come down to him in uninterrupted succession from John de Cokburn and Joneta Lyndessay, his wife, married in /1370… (pg 427) invaded John Lord Lindsay, Sheriff of Fife… David Cockburn m: Katherine Smyth… his sons were John, his heir, Walter and Andrew; he had two daughters, Jonet and Isabelle. David d. 1570.

*Ottirburn aka Otterburn Family.

*BP: de Quincy Family. Ottirburn, Ottirburne, (Index, pg 478) Otterburn… Joneta Ottirburn aka Ottirurn m: Sir James Cockburn -their son, Alexander Cockburn, heir-apparent of Langston.   Joneta, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall by his wife Joneta Stewart.    *note: (pg 139) Jacobo et Jonete Ottirburne ejus sponse et… dicte Jonete au cui cunque sponse diciti Jacobi cum… http://www.red1st.com/axholme//placesearch.php?psearch=Reidhall%2C+Colinton%2C+Midlothian%2C+Scotland&tree=Axholme *Map, Edinburgh -other, Dunfermline (across the estuary). Linlithgow, Haddington, East Saltoun. 1. Ottirburn, Sir Adam, Reidhall, Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland d. 1548. Son, Sir John Ottiburn. Daughter, Joneta Ottirburn m: Sir James Cockburn b. bef 1513 d. 6/4/1578, their son, William Cockburn d. bef 1595. Janet Ottirurn (pg 140) (pg 148) VIII. Alexander, called of Leyiswod and Stobbiswod… the son of Janet Otterburn. (pg 150) XII. William Cockburn of Langton m: Janet, daughter of John Home of Blackadder, by his wife Beatrice… William who succeeded in 1587 to have been the son of a William, son of Alexander, eldest son and apparent heir of Sir James and Janet Otterburn his first wife. (pg 440) Note VI. -page 68. Janet or Janeta Ottirburn 1st wife of Sir James Cockburn of Langton, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall, by his wife Janet Stewart, daughter of John, 3rd Earl of Athole.

*Hume aka Home Family.

(pg 152) William’s wife, Janet Home aka Hume… (pg 211) A contract was made 5/21/1583 “between John Cockburn of Ormiston, Mr. John Cockburn, his eldest lawful son and apparent heir, and Janet Home, his spouse… *see, also, John Cockburn (1620-1680) Governor of Stirling Castle and Hume Castle. (pg 215) IX. Sir John Cockburn of Ormiston… He m1: Janet, daughter of Alexander Home of Manderston, Co. Berwick… (pg 381) V. Christopher Cockburn of Choicelee, By his wife Jean or Janet, daughter of his neighbor Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth, by his wife Janet, daughter of Sir Thomas Ker of Ferniehirst… (pg 442) Note XV -pg 303. Jean, wife of Christopher Cockburn of Choiceless, daughter of Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth, by his wife, daughter of Sir Thomas Ker of Ferniehirst, the brave and loyal friend of Queen Mary (of Scotland). Sir Thomas married twice. By his first wife, Janet, daughter of the gallant Sir William Kirkaldy of Grange (also Mary Stuart’s most devoted friend, who never deserted her in her direst distress), he had Andrew, first Lord Jedburgh, Jean, and Sophia, wife of Joseph Johnston of Hilton in the Merse. By his second wife, also named Janet, the sister of Sir Walter Scott of Buccleuch, he had three sons, -James, who succeeded his half brother as second Lord Jedburgh, Thomas of Oxnam, and Robert, the favorite of James VI., who made him Viscount Rochester and then Earl of Somerset.

*Seton aka Setoun Family. House of Cockburn -Index.

(pg 216) he m2: Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Bellenden of Achinoule (Auchintoul), by his second wife Janet Seton. (pg 426) VI. David Cockburn of Trettoun had succeeded to the lands before 1515, when his name appears as witnessing a charter by John Setoun and Janet Turnbull, his wife…

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Joan de Quincy d. 1283 m (10/27/1265): Humphrey de Bohun http://www.thepeerage.com/p10776.htm#i107760 The Peerage. Robert de Quincy m: Helen ferch Llywelyn, children: Joan de Quincy d. 1283 and Hawise de Quincy b. c. 1250 d. before 3/27/1285.

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*Error, Jonet de Quincy -geni profile page. *https://www.geni. *Geni.com Jonet de Quincy b. 1068 Winchester, Hampshire, England d. ? Winton, Edinburgh, East Lothian, Scotland. (Jody Gray) this geni profile lists another spouse, Robert fitzLancelin and son, William Lancelin. My Research, Results for Jueta aka Judith de Quincy m: Robert fitzLancelin *daughter of Saher aka Saer de Quincy, Lord of Long Buckby m: Maude aka Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz d. 1163. I added this information to *BP: de Quincy Family. http://gray-adamsfamily.blogspot. * Saher aka Saer de Quincy b. 1100 d. 1158 m: Maude aka Maud or Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz.

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Related, The de Seton Family Tree and Jonet de Quincy. (Jody Gray) as a member of Ancestry.com where I have my Gray-Piper Family Tree, I have access to other Ancestry member family trees as research tools. I found one for Jonet aka Judith, de Quincy b. 1068, Winchester, England d. ? Scotland. Spouse: Walter “Dougall” de Seton (de Lens), son, Alexander (Seher aka Serio) de Seton b. 1087 d. 1165. This Family Tree follows a different lineage (Edmund Quincy of the Scottish Quinceys, immigrant to Boston, MA). Media: de Seton family tree, info from stirnet. (Jody Gray) I downloaded the Word Document to my computer. de Seton family tree, info from stirnet.doc. Much of the information reported here is subject to serious doubt. It appears that though many have tried, so far no-one has been able to determine a truly-reliable pedigree for these early generations. The early generations of this family are difficult to ascertain with any certainty. It appears that, probably a long time ago, a Seton pedigree was produced that has since been reported by various sources. Various parts of that pedigree have been rejected by some modern genealogists for it mixed-up different branches of the family and sometimes showed brothers and cousins as fathers and sons. The following attempts to make sense of the matter, relying heavily on (Winton) and (Eglinton) neither of which (pub. 1850 and 1934) show the opening connection which appears to have come from the old pedigree (comes from the Seton Family website) This lineage begins with Saier de Lens was father of Walter de Lens aka Walter the Fleming aka Dougall de Seton m: Janet de Quincy (?? daughter of Quincy, Earl of Winchester. (Jody Gray): the Saer aka Saher de Quincy who was the 1st Earl of Winchester b. ca 1170. is a far later generation of de Quincy than Jonet de Quincy b. ca. 1068). This pedigree then follows Alexander de Seaton (1150); which is the de Seton lineage that leads to Christopher de Seton 1278-1306 m: Christiana de Brus 1278-1356 -sister of Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots 1274-1329… However, that lineage to Christopher de Seton is not variable -he has a wikipedia page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Seton ], which states he was the eldest son of Sir John de Seton of Skelton, Cumberland (No connection has as yet been discovered to Alexander de Seton, Governor of Berwick -last edit, 6/1/2017). Consequently, for my Ancestry Family Tree, I don’t include a lineage to Alexander de Seton (1150). To me, it is not important to create a ‘Pedigree’ father-to-son lineage to my 1st proven ancestor. Instead, I can state that my ancestor is a descendant of this family.   It is impossible to create a verifiable ‘Pedigree’ chart prior to the time of established surnames and the creation of government financial record systems(for tax purposes) and church records of their ‘membership’ (birth, baptism, marriage, death, burial). Unless the person was a monarch or emperor or a person of nobility who was buried inside the church they were a patron of -which is why the earliest dates available are ‘death or burial’.   Other information that helps establish a person’s lineage (place of Origin) is Family Alliances…

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Related Blog Posts: *BP: de Quincy Family. https://gray-piperfamily.blogspot.com/2017/09/de-quincy-family.html  *

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