Jonet de Quincy

(Jody Gray) I thought Jonet was a french name. I was surprised to learn that it was a Surname, see House of Names (below). Used as a ‘given’ name, Jonet, is an Medieval Scottish variant of Janet aka Gennat or Jane. There are many variations of the name; Jonet or Janet are the ones that showed up MANY times in the House of Cockburn Genealogy Book: so it seems to have been a common ‘given’ name in Scotland, in this case, related to the Cockburn Family. Said to be pronounced, jo-net or jon-et. Jonet is a rare ‘given’ name for a girl in the United States.

House of Names: Jonet Surname: The Anglo-Saxon name Jonet comes from the biblical name of Jane. This name was first used in England during the 15th century, and was originally derived from the Old French Jehanne, which also had biblical origins from Johannes. The surname Jonet was first found in Yorkshire, where they held a family seat from very early times. Jonet Spelling Variations: Before the last hundred years, the English had no fast system of spelling rules. Janot, Janet, Jannett, Janette, Jannett, Jenet, Jennet, Jenett. (Jody Gray) I have also found Joan, Jean and Judith aka Jueta.

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*House of Cockburn Genealogy Book: Joneta Lindsay m: II John Cockburn -Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston.   2nd son of Sir Alexander and Mariota de Veteri-Ponte I John de Cokburn (becoming, II John Cockburn of Ormiston) m: Joneta aka Janet Lyndessay aka Lindsay, only child and heiress of Sir Alexander, Lord of Ormiston -through this marriage, John became Lord of Ormiston and from them, Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston. Joneta Ottirburn m: Sir James Cockburn -their son, VII Alexander Cockburn, heir-apparent of Langston.   Joneta, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall by his wife Joneta Stewart. Janet Hume aka Home m: William Cockburn V. Christopher Cockburn of Choicelee m: Jean or Janet, daughter of Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth IX. Sir John Cockburn of Ormiston… He m1: Janet, daughter of Alexander Home of Manderston, Co. Berwick (pg 211) A contract was made 5/21/1583 “between John Cockburn of Ormiston, Mr. John Cockburn, his eldest lawful son and apparent heir, and Janet Home, his spouse… John Cockburn (1620-1680) Governor of Stirling Castle and Hume Castle, Janet Home aka Hume m: William Cockburn Janet m: Cockburn. *Note: (pg 370) The will of James Cokburn of Schouslie, 5/20/1586… daughter, Janet (Cokburn).... Janet Geddes m: G. (George) Cockburn of Henderland Janet Rannie m: Baron Cockburn (pg 142) Janet Somerville m: William Cockburn of Ormiston (pg 197) Janet Hepburn m(1643): John Cockburn of Ormiston Janet of Blackadder m: William Cocburn of Langton Janet Herries m: Sir James Cockburn of Skirling -daughter and co-heiress of William, 3rd Lord Herries of Terregles (pg 482) Tuedy of Drummelzier, James, last Baron of Thane’s Castle Drummelzier, marries Widow of Sir William Cockburn of Skirling -troubles his Mother, Janet Herries, Lady Skirling, 246, 247… Other ‘noteworthy’ Janet Janet Bethune aka Beaton/Beton/Betoun wife of Sir Walter Scott -daughter of Cardinal Beaton. *Seton aka Setoun Family. -moved to PC/Doc: Seton Family. Janet Seton m: Sir John Bellenden of Achinoule (Auchintoul) (pg 480), daughter Elizabeth m? (pg 216) Janet Turnbull m: John Setoun (pg 426)

*Lindsay aka Lyndessay Family.

*BP: de Quincy Family. Sir Alexander Lindsay, Lord of Ormiston; his only daughter and heiress, Joneta aka Janet m: II John Cockburn who through the marriage became Lord of Ormiston and through them, Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston.   (note: Sir Alexander’s youngest nephew, William Lindsay, Lord of Byres, one of the heroes of The Bruce’s time, companion-in-arms of Wallace). (pg 186) Joneta’s father was the next younger brother of Schir Dawy the Lyndyssay… the contract was witnessed 2/23/1370… that morning when John Cockburn and Janet Lindsay walked between the crowd of brave knights and fair ladies to the door of the church… how King David kissed the bride, and led her out to the dance floor afterwards. (pg 187) Accompanying some of them would be the young married dames, and the maidens who were to attend their friend Joneta on the occasion, mounted on mettled palfreys, such as the one William de Seytone brought to Westminster on 12/19/1312, as a gift from Edward to “Lady Nicola,” wife of Piers de Luband, in the days of his prosperity, when he was styled “Dominus de Cokburn.” (pg 188) We may believe that brilliant were the scenes witnessed in after years when Lady Joneta held her Court in the halls of Ormiston. (pg 189) John Cockburn, who was made Constable of the County of Haddington, an office held for generation by his descendants, had by his wife Joneta… (pg 233) Captain George Cockburn… the deeds alienating the heritage which had come down to him in uninterrupted succession from John de Cokburn and Joneta Lyndessay, his wife, married in /1370… (pg 427) invaded John Lord Lindsay, Sheriff of Fife… David Cockburn m: Katherine Smyth… his sons were John, his heir, Walter and Andrew; he had two daughters, Jonet and Isabelle. David d. 1570.

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*BP: de Quincy Family. Ottirburn, Ottirburne, (Index, pg 478) Otterburn… Joneta Ottirburn aka Ottirurn m: Sir James Cockburn -their son, Alexander Cockburn, heir-apparent of Langston.   Joneta, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall by his wife Joneta Stewart.    *note: (pg 139) Jacobo et Jonete Ottirburne ejus sponse et… dicte Jonete au cui cunque sponse diciti Jacobi cum… http://www.red1st.com/axholme//placesearch.php?psearch=Reidhall%2C+Colinton%2C+Midlothian%2C+Scotland&tree=Axholme *Map, Edinburgh -other, Dunfermline (across the estuary). Linlithgow, Haddington, East Saltoun. 1. Ottirburn, Sir Adam, Reidhall, Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland d. 1548. Son, Sir John Ottiburn. Daughter, Joneta Ottirburn m: Sir James Cockburn b. bef 1513 d. 6/4/1578, their son, William Cockburn d. bef 1595. Janet Ottirurn (pg 140) (pg 148) VIII. Alexander, called of Leyiswod and Stobbiswod… the son of Janet Otterburn. (pg 150) XII. William Cockburn of Langton m: Janet, daughter of John Home of Blackadder, by his wife Beatrice… William who succeeded in 1587 to have been the son of a William, son of Alexander, eldest son and apparent heir of Sir James and Janet Otterburn his first wife. (pg 440) Note VI. -page 68. Janet or Janeta Ottirburn 1st wife of Sir James Cockburn of Langton, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall, by his wife Janet Stewart, daughter of John, 3rd Earl of Athole.

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(pg 152) William’s wife, Janet Home aka Hume… (pg 211) A contract was made 5/21/1583 “between John Cockburn of Ormiston, Mr. John Cockburn, his eldest lawful son and apparent heir, and Janet Home, his spouse… *see, also, John Cockburn (1620-1680) Governor of Stirling Castle and Hume Castle. (pg 215) IX. Sir John Cockburn of Ormiston… He m1: Janet, daughter of Alexander Home of Manderston, Co. Berwick… (pg 381) V. Christopher Cockburn of Choicelee, By his wife Jean or Janet, daughter of his neighbor Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth, by his wife Janet, daughter of Sir Thomas Ker of Ferniehirst… (pg 442) Note XV -pg 303. Jean, wife of Christopher Cockburn of Choiceless, daughter of Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth, by his wife, daughter of Sir Thomas Ker of Ferniehirst, the brave and loyal friend of Queen Mary (of Scotland). Sir Thomas married twice. By his first wife, Janet, daughter of the gallant Sir William Kirkaldy of Grange (also Mary Stuart’s most devoted friend, who never deserted her in her direst distress), he had Andrew, first Lord Jedburgh, Jean, and Sophia, wife of Joseph Johnston of Hilton in the Merse. By his second wife, also named Janet, the sister of Sir Walter Scott of Buccleuch, he had three sons, -James, who succeeded his half brother as second Lord Jedburgh, Thomas of Oxnam, and Robert, the favorite of James VI., who made him Viscount Rochester and then Earl of Somerset.

*Seton aka Setoun Family. House of Cockburn -Index.

(pg 216) he m2: Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Bellenden of Achinoule (Auchintoul), by his second wife Janet Seton. (pg 426) VI. David Cockburn of Trettoun had succeeded to the lands before 1515, when his name appears as witnessing a charter by John Setoun and Janet Turnbull, his wife…

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Joan de Quincy d. 1283 m (10/27/1265): Humphrey de Bohun http://www.thepeerage.com/p10776.htm#i107760 The Peerage. Robert de Quincy m: Helen ferch Llywelyn, children: Joan de Quincy d. 1283 and Hawise de Quincy b. c. 1250 d. before 3/27/1285.

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*Error, Jonet de Quincy -geni profile page. *https://www.geni. *Geni.com Jonet de Quincy b. 1068 Winchester, Hampshire, England d. ? Winton, Edinburgh, East Lothian, Scotland. (Jody Gray) this geni profile lists another spouse, Robert fitzLancelin and son, William Lancelin. My Research, Results for Jueta aka Judith de Quincy m: Robert fitzLancelin *daughter of Saher aka Saer de Quincy, Lord of Long Buckby m: Maude aka Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz d. 1163. I added this information to *BP: de Quincy Family. http://gray-adamsfamily.blogspot. * Saher aka Saer de Quincy b. 1100 d. 1158 m: Maude aka Maud or Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz.

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Related, The de Seton Family Tree and Jonet de Quincy. (Jody Gray) as a member of Ancestry.com where I have my Gray-Piper Family Tree, I have access to other Ancestry member family trees as research tools. I found one for Jonet aka Judith, de Quincy b. 1068, Winchester, England d. ? Scotland. Spouse: Walter “Dougall” de Seton (de Lens), son, Alexander (Seher aka Serio) de Seton b. 1087 d. 1165. This Family Tree follows a different lineage (Edmund Quincy of the Scottish Quinceys, immigrant to Boston, MA). Media: de Seton family tree, info from stirnet. (Jody Gray) I downloaded the Word Document to my computer. de Seton family tree, info from stirnet.doc. Much of the information reported here is subject to serious doubt. It appears that though many have tried, so far no-one has been able to determine a truly-reliable pedigree for these early generations. The early generations of this family are difficult to ascertain with any certainty. It appears that, probably a long time ago, a Seton pedigree was produced that has since been reported by various sources. Various parts of that pedigree have been rejected by some modern genealogists for it mixed-up different branches of the family and sometimes showed brothers and cousins as fathers and sons. The following attempts to make sense of the matter, relying heavily on (Winton) and (Eglinton) neither of which (pub. 1850 and 1934) show the opening connection which appears to have come from the old pedigree (comes from the Seton Family website) This lineage begins with Saier de Lens was father of Walter de Lens aka Walter the Fleming aka Dougall de Seton m: Janet de Quincy (?? daughter of Quincy, Earl of Winchester. (Jody Gray): the Saer aka Saher de Quincy who was the 1st Earl of Winchester b. ca 1170. is a far later generation of de Quincy than Jonet de Quincy b. ca. 1068). This pedigree then follows Alexander de Seaton (1150); which is the de Seton lineage that leads to Christopher de Seton 1278-1306 m: Christiana de Brus 1278-1356 -sister of Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots 1274-1329… However, that lineage to Christopher de Seton is not variable -he has a wikipedia page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Seton ], which states he was the eldest son of Sir John de Seton of Skelton, Cumberland (No connection has as yet been discovered to Alexander de Seton, Governor of Berwick -last edit, 6/1/2017). Consequently, for my Ancestry Family Tree, I don’t include a lineage to Alexander de Seton (1150). To me, it is not important to create a ‘Pedigree’ father-to-son lineage to my 1st proven ancestor. Instead, I can state that my ancestor is a descendant of this family.   It is impossible to create a verifiable ‘Pedigree’ chart prior to the time of established surnames and the creation of government financial record systems(for tax purposes) and church records of their ‘membership’ (birth, baptism, marriage, death, burial). Unless the person was a monarch or emperor or a person of nobility who was buried inside the church they were a patron of -which is why the earliest dates available are ‘death or burial’.   Other information that helps establish a person’s lineage (place of Origin) is Family Alliances…

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de Quincy Family

*(Jody Gray) For my Ancestry Family Tree, the importance of the de Quincy Family is Jonet de Quincy married Walter aka Seier the Fleming de Seton. Unfortunately, even though I spent hours researching the family, the parentage of Jonet de Quincy is still unverified.

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*My Ancestry Family Tree, de Quincy Family. *28th GGF Robert de Cuinchy aka Quincy. Unknown d. 1090, Scotland   *daughter, 27th GGM Joneta m: Walter aka Seier the Fleming de Seton   *son, *28th grt-uncle Richard de Cuinchy aka Quincy. b. 1066 d. 1125 m: Judith Orabilis *1st cousin 28x removed, Saher aka Saer de Quincy. b. 1100 d. 1158 m: Maude aka Maud or Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz. *3rd cousin 25x removed Robert de Quincy. b. 1127 d. 1197 m: Orabilis of Leuchars *4th cousin 24x removed Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester. b. 1170 d. 1219 m: Margaret de Beaumont *her lineage continues down to the Woodhull Family (to Lucile Piper m: Robert Gray) Children of Saher and Margaret: Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester b. 1195 d. 1264 m: Ellen aka Helen Galloway Robert de Quincy d. 1257 m: Elen ferch Llywelyn b. 1206 d. 1253 Robert de Quincy d. 1217 m: Hawise of Chester b. 1180 d. 1241 Arabella de Quincy Lora de Quincy Hawise de Quincy d. 1263 m: Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford *her lineage continues down to the Woodhull Family (to Lucile Piper m: Robert Gray)

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(Jody Gray) . Variations in Surname, de Quincy, Qynci, Quinci, Qenci, Quency, Qunicey, Quintsey, Qynci, Qyncy, Quyncy, Quince, Variations of ‘given’ name, Saer, Saher, Seer, Saerus, Sayero, Seirer, Sherio, Sahir. Variations of ‘given’ name, Roger, Rogeri Variations of ‘given’ name, Robert, Roberto, Roberti,

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Surname, de Quincy. (Jody Gray) The best introduction to the de Quincy Family I’ve found is from  Saer aka Saher de Quincy’s wikipedia page. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester Family. The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest (1066), and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Bethune; but the personal name “Saer” was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelt in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci. Long Buckby Northamptonshire   The first recorded Saer de Quincy aka Saher b. ca 1100 (known to historians as “Saer I”) was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier 12th century, and second husband of Matilda St Liz aka de Senlis, stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland [1124-1153] by Maud of Northumbria. This marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy. It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester. By her first husband Robert Fitz Richard, Matilda was also the paternal grandmother of  Earl Saer’s close ally, Robert Fitzwalter.   Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion [1165-1214]. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian.   Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II [b. 1138 d. 1190] who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King [1170-1183] in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II’s line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family’s Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.

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(Jody Gray) Now, I’ll present the de Quincy Family in chronological order. Sources: *Wikipedia pages. *House of Cockburn Genealogy Book. -Index. *Earls of Winchester. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#RobertQuincydied1217 England Earls *Reminder: great links on this webpage.  [Projects, English Nobility] provides, variations of spelling both surname and ‘given’ name. Records: charters, “taxes/fees”, Parish records (burial). Places (most surnames came from places). Alliances (other surnames, particularly, marriage and the throne, Scotland and England).

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*28th GGF Robert de Cuinchy aka Quincy. Unknown d. 1090, Scotland The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest (1066), and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Bethune… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuinchy Cuinchy is a commune in the Pas-de-Calais department in the Hauts-de-France region of France. (Map) see,'red dot' in the uppermost southern border area of France. Ancestry.com: no sources or ‘hints’

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Daughter of Robert de Quincy d. 1090,  27th GGM Jonet m: Walter aka Seier the Fleming de Seton. Jonet aka Janet de Quincy b. unknown d. ? Edinburgh, Scotland. Father, Robert de Quincy d. 1090. Brother, Richard de Quincy b. 1066 d. 1125 -his lineage is traceable. m: Walter aka Seier the Fleming de Seton b. c. 1050 Cambrai, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France d. 1124, Scotland. 1st son, Walter de Wahull, Baron. 2nd son, Saher de Seton Ancestry.com -Netherlands Genealogy: Janet de Quincy. Spouse: Walter de Lens de Seton. Son, Secher de Seton. (Jody Gray) I have spent an enormous amount of time researching the Seton Family because of the importance of Walter aka Seier ‘the Fleming’ de Seton. Below, references to Jonet de Quincy taken from my Seton Family Blog Posts (links follow).   In the Duns edition of Maitland the following words are interpolated in the second paragraph: quha maruit Jonet Quintsey, doghter to Roger Quintsey, Earle of Wintoun, Constabule of Scotland.   Lord Kingston amplifies this statement by adding that Dougall married Janet “Quintsey”, daughter of Roger, Earl of Winton, Constable of Scotland.   But, as Roger Earl of Winton only became Constable in right of his wife Helen of Galloway in 1234, and only succeeded his mother the Countess Margaret in the Earldom of Winchester after her death in 1235, it is obvious his daughter could not have married Dougall, -who lived a century earlier.   It is however conceivable that, if Dougal did marry a Janet de Quincy, she may have been sister or aunt of Sir Roger.   The fact that Dougal’s son was named “Seher”, a de Quincy name, certainly supports the family tradition of blood relationship; and to this must be added the fact that since the time of Seher de Seton the main line of the Setons have borne as their crest a Dragon or Wyvern identical with the de Quincy cognisance. *Blog Post: Woodhull Lineage in England http://gray-adamsfamily.blogspot.com/2016/04/woodhull-lineage-in-england.html  Walter the Fleming (1046) aka Seirer… (de Wahull)...   *Blog Post: Seton Family of Walter aka Seier ‘the Fleming’ de Seton. http://gray-adamsfamily.blogspot.com/2017/04/seton-family-of-walter-aka-seier.html *

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Son of Robert de Quincy d. 1090 *28th grt-uncle Richard de Quincy. b. 1066 d. 1125 m: Judith Orabilis. Richard de Quincy b. 1066, b. 1066 Cuinchy, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, France d. 1125, Daventry, Northamptonshire, England. m (1086) Judith Orabilis b. 1073, Winchester, Hampshire, England *http://familytrees.genopro.com/azrael/skaggs/deQuincey-Richard-ind18176.htm deQunicey, Richard was born 1066 in Cuinchy, Normandy, France. He died at the age of 59 in 1125 in Daventry, Northamptonshire, England. Details of Richard’s family, unknown. http://knight-france.com/geneal/names/2075.htm Knights. Richard de Cuinchy aka Quincey b. 1066 Cuinchy, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, France d. Daventry, Northamptonshire, England. m: Judith; son Saer I de Quincy b. 1090, England d. 1157, Winchester, Hampshire, England m: Maud De Senlis Ancestry.com -no sources or ‘hints’ for Richard or Judith -son, Saher de Quincy

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*1st cousin 28x removed, Saher aka Saer de Quincy. b. 1100 d. 1158 m: Maude aka Maud or Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz. Saher de Quincy b. 1100 d. 1158, Manor of Buckley, Northamptonshire, England m: Maude aka Matilda de Senlis b. ? d. 1163 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Buckby Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England. History. Has a history going back approximately 1,200 years to the Vikings when all of northern, central and eastern England came under the Danelaw. The mound remaining of a castle built by Sahir de Quincy in the 12th century remains. The village name is of Nordic; was recorded in the Domesday Book as Buchebei. http://www.robertsewell.ca/longbuckby.html Long Buckby Castle. Little is known of the history of Long Buckby; but archaeological evidence suggests that it was built by 1150 AD. At this time, the De Quincy family held the manor. Like other Norman overlords they may have built the castle to control their newly acquired estates following the Norman Conquest. Occupation of the castle is thought to have ended sometime after 1200 AD.   Many Norman Castles were built of earth and wood and were defended by a timber wall built on an earth bank surrounded by a ditch or moat. The timber wall was plastered to resemble stone. Some of these castles were gradually replaced with stone structures… "Northampton Archaeology Unit" -credited for the drawing and information about the Castle. http://www.robertsewell.ca/dequincy.html#gen1 de quincy. Generation One. Saher de Quincy (I) of Buckby and Daventry d. ca 1156-58; was the tenant of Anselm de Chokes at Long Buckby, co. Northampton in (probably) 1124-29. He presumably derived Quincy or Quency name from Cuinchy, near Bethune, on the border of Artois and Flanders, which is less than 10 miles from Chocques, the original home of his Northampton overlord. (Jody Gray) an excellently referenced and constructed, follows a different lineage than mine after Generation Four, Robert de Quincy. *http://familytrees.genopro.com/azrael/skaggs/deQuincy-Saher-ind04373.htm deQuincy, Saher was born in Daventry, England. Father Richard de Quincey. Mother Unknown. His father, Richard was an only child. Saher d. 1157 (age 57) in Manor of Buckley, Northamptonshire, England. m: Maud St. Liz. Children: Robert and Alice. [I have Robert and Saher II] Ancestry.com -Netherlands Genealogy: Saher de Quiincy I b. 1100, Long Buckley, Northamptonshire d. 1158, Long Buckley, Northamptonshire. m: Maud de Senlis. Daughter, Alice de Senlis. Earls of Winchester. Saher I de Quincy, son of ... b. ? d. 1156/57 *was the 2nd husband of Matilda de Senlis, widow of Robert FitzRichard de Clare (they m aft 1136) Maude aka Matilda de Senlis b. ? d. 1163 Ancestry.com -Netherlands Genealogy: Maud de Senlis b. 1163. Father Simon de Senlis (saint Lis) Mother Mathilda van Northumberland. Spouse Saher de Quiincy. Son, Walter Fitzrobert. Maud's father and mother have a wikipedia page -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_I_de_Senlis,_Earl_of_Huntingdon-Northampton *m ca 1090, Maud of Huntingdon, daughter of Waltheof Earl of Huntingdon and Northumbria and Judith of Lens -daughter (by his 2nd marriage) of Lambert II Count of Lens and Aumale -father (by his 1st marriage) of Walter aka Seier the Fleming de Seton. Judith, niece of William the Conqueror.   Their daughter, Maud de Senlis, m1: Robert Fitz Richard (of the De Clare family), of Little Dunmow, Essex, had issue, then following his death m2: Saer de Quincy [no wikipedia link], Lord of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire -had issue, Robert de Quincy d. ca. 1198, father of: Alice de Senlis (St. Liz) and Saer de Quincy d. 1219 (Magna Carta surety) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maud,_Countess_of_Huntingdon * m1 (1090) Simon de Senlis -daughter Matilda aka Maud of St Liz m2: Saer de Quincy  m2 (1112) David I the Saint, King of Scots. Depictions in fiction. Elizabeth Chadwick, The Winter Mantle (2003) Alan Moore, Voice of the Fire (1995) Nigel Tranter, David the Prince (1980) Maud’s parents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltheof,_Earl_of_Northumbria Waltheof, Earl of Huntingdon and Northumbria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_of_Lens 27th grt-aunt Judith of Lens *Her parents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_II,_Count_of_Lens 28th GGF Lambert II, Count of Lens and Count of Aumale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_of_Normandy 27th GGM Adelaide aka Adeliza of Normandy   *daughter of Robert, Duke of Normandy; sister of William I (the Conqueror), King of England -forming a new alliance between Normandy and Boulogne. *Lambert II m1: unknown -father of 27th GGF Walter aka Seier the Fleming de Seton. (Jody Gray) Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester b. 1170 d. 1219 is the first of the de Quincy Family to have a wikipedia page. Consequently, information about prior de Quincy ancestors is a piecemeal project. Richard de Cuinchy aka Quincy 1066-1125 m: Judith Orabilis 1073-? Son, Saher aka Saer de Quincy, Lord of Long Buckby m: Maude aka Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz d. 1163. *there are wikipedia pages for Maude’s parents: Simon I de Senlis, Earl of Huntingdon-Northampton and Maud of Huntingdon b. c 1074 -daughter of Judith of Lens (another Judith) Sons, Robert de Quincy 1127-1197; Saher II de Quincy 1138-1190; Rainald de Quincy; Jueta aka Judith de Quincy. Jueta Quincy (Judith) de fitzLancelin (born Quincy) was born in 1135, at birth place, to Saher… she m: Robert fitzLancelin b. 1099, England. b. To Saher (Saer) I de Quincy, Lord of Buckby and Daventry and Maud de St. Liz de Senlis… Jueta had 10 brothers… (Jody Gray) another variation, Jueta aka Judith. Fits the tradition of naming children after their ancestors -her grandmother, Judith Orabilis or Judith of Lens. Doomsday People (book, pg 289) He was succeeded by his son Robert before 1121/2, when Henry I confirmed the grants of his son Robert fitz Lancelin to the church of St. Andrew, Northampton. Lanzelin de Belvias. Domesday tenant of Countess Judith; ancestor of the Lancelin family. Lancelin de Belvais and his wife were early benefactors of St Albans after 1066 (BL Cotton Nero D vii, fol. 97v). Probably named from Beauvois, Pas-de-Calais… He was succeeded by his son Robert before 1121/2, when Henry I confirmed the grants of his son Robert fitz Lancelin to the church of St Andrew, Northampton. In 1154/5 Henry II confirmed the grants to Pipewell of Robert Lancelin and his son William. In 1230 Lancelin FitzLancelin and his wife… [see entry, below, King’s Mead Priory] of Robert fitz Lancelin, to whose son William and grandson Rainald de Saher II de Quincy… (Jody Gray) would be another child of Saher aka Saer de Quincy, Lord of Long Buckby m: Maude aka Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz and sibling of Jueta aka Judith -could be the same person as Saher II de Quincy… Earls of Winchester. 3. Jueta [Judith] wife of Robert fitz Lancelin, to whose son William and grandson Rainald Saer II de Quincy… was the daughter of Saher [1] de Quincy m: Robert, son of Lancelin… another entry refers to III. Judith m: Robert Fitz Lancelin… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Mead_Priory King’s Mead Priory (established ca 1160, disestablished 1536) was a Benedictine Priory situated west of Derby… it became a popular place for Derbyshire’s noble families to send their daughters to be educated… Part of the priory’s income was five pounds paid every year from Nottingham farm rents on the orders of Henry III; in consideration of which the nuns were to say prayers for Henry’s father King John.   In 1230 Lancelin FitzLancelin and his wife Avice donated 13 acres of land and… 300 sheep, 8 oxen, 6 cows, 30 goats and 20 pigs, in return prayers were to be said for the donors and their family.

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*3rd cousin 25x removed Robert de Quincy. b. 1127 d. 1197 m: Orabilis of Leuchars Robert de Quincy, Earl of Leicester b. 1127, Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England d. 9/29/1197, Manor Buckley, Northampton, England. *http://familytrees.genopro.com/azrael/skaggs/family-SaherDeQuincyAndMaudSt.Liz-fam01597.htm#deQuincy-Robert-ind04374.htm deQuincy I, Robert was born 1127 in Long Buckley, England. d. 9/29/1197 (age 70) in Manor of Buckley, Northamptonshire, England. (sister, Alice b. 1140, Bushby, Billesdon, Leicestershire, England) Earls of Winchester. Robert b. 1140 d. aft 1200. He went to Scotland and through his first marriage obtained lands in Fife, Perth Strathearn and Lothian, was granted the castle of Forfar by his cousin (through his mother) William the Lion King of Scotland. He accompanied Richard I King of England on crusade in 1190 and participated in the capture of Antioch in July 1191. The Red Book of the Exchequer in 1194/95 records Roberto de Quency in Northamptonshire and granted delay in payment in Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire… “Robertus de Quinci, Seierus de Quinci”... *Note: Castle Forfar, Scotland was abandoned by the 1330s, all traces have disappeared. (Jody Gray) I'm adding information about Fife, Perth, Strathearn and Lothian as a representation of Robert's lands acquired by marriage and his family relationship to William the Lion (see, de Quincy, alliances, entry below) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fife Fife, Scotland. A natural peninsula, is Scotland’s third largest local authority area by population. The historic town of St Andrews is located on the northeast coast of Fife. It is well known for the University of St Andrews, one of the most ancient universities in the world and is renowned as the home of golf.   Fife was an important royal and political centre from the reign of King Malcolm III onwards, as the leaders of Scotland gradually moved southwards away from their ancient strongholds around Scone. Malcolm had his principal home in Dunfermline and his wife Margaret was the main benefactor of Dunfermline Abbey; which replaced Iona as the final resting place of Scotland’s royal elite, with Robert I [the Bruce, King of Scots d. 1329] amongst those to be buried there [his body, his heart buried at Melrose Abbey].   The Earl of Fife was until the 15th century considered the principal peer of the Scottish realm, and was reserved the right of crowning the nation’s monarchs, reflecting the prestige of the area. Strathearn and Perth (entries, below), are above Fife.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strathearn Strathearn, Scotland. Was bounded on the north by Atholl… south east by Fife, east by Perth. In medieval times, the sheriff based at Perth covered Strathearn as part of their duties. 19th century local government reforms placed the ancient provinces by new Counties (shires), Strathearn became the south-central part of Perthshire -it is now part of Perth and Kinross. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Scotland Perth, Scotland. Alexander I [1107-24] enhanced Perth’s early importance. It was considered the effective ‘capital’ of Scotland, due to the frequent residence of the royal court. Royal Burgh status was soon awarded to the city from King William the Lion in the early 12th century. During the 12th and 13th centuries, Perth was one of the richest trading burghs in the kingdom… Lothian, is (across the estuary) below Fife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothian Lothian, the principal settlement is the Scottish capital, Edinburgh, while other significant towns include, Linlithgow, North Berwick, Dunbar, Haddington. Historically, the term Lothian referred to a province encompassing most of which is now southeastern Scotland… It was annexed to the Kingdom of Scotland around the 10th century. m: Orabilis aka Orabella of Leuchars aka Mars b. 1135, Leuchars, Fife, Scotland d. 6/30/1203, Northamptonshire, England. Ancestry.com -Netherlands Genealogy: Orabilis of Mar d. 6/30/1203. Father Nes of Mar. Spouse Robert de Quincy. Son, Saher de Quincy Earl of Winchester. Millennium: Orbilius Orbella (of Leuchars) De Nessius b. 1135 Leuchars, Scotland d. Jun 1203. Father of Leuchars Ness. Spouse Robert De Quincy. Son, Saher IV (Magna Charta Baron) De Quincy. *their son, Saer aka Saher de Quincy, covered next, his wikipedia page states: Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars.

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*4th cousin 24x removed Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester. b. 1170 d. 1219 m: Margaret de Beaumont *Relationship of Beaumont Family to Woodhull -Surnames: Elizabeth de Vermandois -Capetian Dynasty. Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester b. 1170, Winchester, Hampshire, England. b. 11/3/1219, Damietta, Egypt. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester. b. c. 1170 d. 11/3/1219. aka Saier di Quinci. Was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against John, King of England 1199-1216, and a major figure in both the kingdoms of Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the 12th and 13th centuries. Scottish Upbringing. Saer de Quincy’s immediate background was in the Scottish kingdom: his father, Robert de Quincy, was a knight in the service of King William the Lion 1165-1214, and his mother, Orabilis de Mar, was the heiress of the lordship of Leuchars in Fife (see below).   His own rise to prominence in England came through his marriage to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester: but it is probably no coincidence that her other brother was the de Qunicy’s powerful Fife neighbor, Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St Andrews. Earl Robert died in 1204, and left Margaret as co-heiress to the vast earldom along with her elder sister. The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester. Earl of Winchester. Following his marriage, Winchester became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England. There is no evidence of any close alliance with King John, however, and his rise to importance was probably due to his newly acquired magnate status and the family connections that underpinned it.   One man with whom he does seem to have developed a close personal relationship is his cousin, Robert Fitzwalter (d. 1235). In 1203, they served as co-commanders of the garrison at the major fortress of Vaudreuil in Normandy. The surrendered the castle without a fight to Philip II of France [1179/80-1223], fatally weakening the English position in northern France. Although popular opinion seems to have blamed them for the capitulation, a royal writ is extant stating that the castle was surrendered at King John’s command, and both Winchester and Fitzwalter endured personal humiliation and heavy ransoms at the hands of the French.   In Scotland, he was perhaps more successful. In 1211 to 1212, the Earl of Winchester commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion’s campaign against the Mac William rebels, a force which some historians have suggested may have been the mercenary force from Brabant lent to the campaign by [King] John. Arms displayed by Earl Saer on his seal on Magna Carta Magna Carta. In 1215, when the baronial rebellion broke out, Robert Fitzwalter became the military commander, and the Earl of Winchester joined him, acting as one of the chief authors of Magna Carta and negotiators with John [King of England]; both cousins were among the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta. De Quincy fought against John in the troubles that followed the sealing of the Charter, and, again with Fitzwalter traveled to France to invite Prince Louis of France to take the English throne. He and Fitzwalter were subsequently among the most committed and prominent supporters of Louis’s candidature for the kingship, against both John and the infant Henry III. The Fifth Crusade. When military defeat cleared the way for Henry III to take the throne, de Quincy went on crusade… In 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging  Damietta. While in the east, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, rather than in Egypt, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey (Leicester, England) near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife’s family. Issue. By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Earl Saer had three sons and three daughters: Lora aka Lorette m: Sir William de Valognes, Chamberlain of Scotland Arabella m: Sir Richard Harcourt Robert (d. 1217) m(bef 1206): Hawise of Chester, 1st Countess of Lincoln, sister and co-heiress of Randolph de Blondeville, 4th Earl of Chester. Roger, 2nd Earl of Winchester, who succeeded his father as earl of Winchester, m: Helen aka Ellen of Galloway Robert (2nd son of that name; d. 1257) m: Elen aka Helen, daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great Hawise m: Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford. Background Reading: “Winchester”, in The Complete Peerage, ed. G.E.C., xii. 745-751/ “The House of Quency, 1136-1264”, Sidney Painter (1957) “An Anglo-Scottish Baron of the Thirteenth century: the Acts of Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester and Great Constable of Scotland” Grant G. Simpson (Unpublished PhD Thesis, Edinburgh 1963). “Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 (7th Edition, pub 1992) by Frederick Lewis Weis, pg 58-60. Earls of Winchester. Saher IV de Quincy b. 1165-70 d. 11/3/1219 Damietta, buried Acre. He was created Earl of Winchester before 2/10/1207 -son of Robert de Quincy and 1st wife Orabilis of Mar. (I’m not including information that’s in his wikipedia page) He went with Robert FitzWalter to invite Louis de France to England in early 1216, his lands being seized by King John as a consequence and granted to William Marshal, son of the Earl of Pembroke. He returned to the allegiance of King Henry III in Sept 1217 and his lands were restored to him 9/29/1217. “Saherus de Quinc[y] comes Wintonie”... He joined the Crusade in 1219 and died at the siege of Damietta. The necrology of Garendon abbey (Leicester) records that “dominus Saerus de Qyncy come Wyntoie et Robertus filius Willielmi de Havercourt et Willielmus comes de Ardunell” travelled to “Terram Sanctam” in 1219 and that Saher died on the journey… and was buried “apud Acres”, his heart being burned and later buried at Garendon [Abbey]. (other records of his death are given). m (before 1190) Margaret of Leicester, daughter of Robert de Beaumont Earl of Leicester and his wife Pernelle de Grantmesnil. Margaret m: “Sayero de Quincy”... “Rogeri de Quyncy”... https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=49692833&ref=acom Find a Grave, Memorial page -Biography: Saer aka Saher de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, of Long Buckby, Northamptonshire and Leuchard and Travernent, Scotland. (Jody Gray) contains, mostly, the same information as his Wikipedia page. There are links to follow for his wife Margaret de Beaumont and his children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Winchester Earl of Winchester was a title created three times in the Peerage of England during the Middle Ages. The first was Saer de Quincy, who received the earldom in 1207/8 after his wife inherited half of the lands of the Beaumont earls of Leicester. When his son died without a male heir the title became extinct.

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*3rd cousin 24x removed *Roger de Quincy (d. 1217) -son of Saer aka Saher de Quincy b. 1170 and Margaret de Beaumont m(bef 1206): Hawise of Chester, 1st Countess of Lincoln, sister and co-heiress of Randolph de Blondeville, 4th Earl of Chester. Earls of Winchester. Robert b. 1187/90 d. 4/25/1217 London, buried Gardendon… The husband of Hawise de Chester was, according to the Complete Peerage, either Robert son of Robert de Quincy (about whose existence there appears to be no other evidence) or Robert eldest son of Saher de Quincy Earl of Winchester… Robert was excommunicated with his father in Dec 1215. (due to his signing of the Magna Carta) The Annals of Waverly record the death in 1217 of “Robert de Quinci, filius Seeri de Quinci”... He was accidentally poisoned through medicine prepared by a Cistercian monk. m (before 1208) Hawise of Chester, daughter of Hugh Earl of Chester and his wife Bertrade de Montfort. Hawise of Chester, 1st Countess of Lincoln b. 1180, Chester, Cheshire, England d. 1241-1243 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawise_of_Chester,_1st_Countess_of_Lincoln * Father, Hugh de Kevelioc, 5th Earl of Chester. Mother, Bertrade de Montfort of Evreux. *Index *Quincy, Sir Robert de Qynci [Quincy), 355, Note III (pg 439) Sir Roger de Sancto Andrea was a witness with “Sir Seer de Quincy, Earle of Wincestre,” [Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, Robert’s father] and others, to the grant by Hawise de Qynci [Hawise de Quincy] in her widowhood to the brethren of the Holy House of the Hospital of Jerusalem in England of five merks of silver yearly during her life for the soul of Robert de Quinci, her late husband. The mass “for the faithful defunct” was to be celebrated in their church at Clerkenwell, London. The lands of Saher de St. Andrew [Santo Andrea], were taken into the King’s hands, 1219, because he “made no fine for the 40 lbs he owes of the debts of Hugh de Dine [or Dive] on account of the latter’s third daughter, whom he has to wife;” but in 1227 “Saher of St. Andrew”...   Hawise, his widow, 355, Note III (pg 439)

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*3rd cousin 24x removed *Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester -son of Saer aka Saher de Quincy b. 1170 and Margaret de Beaumont m: Helen aka Ellen of Galloway, daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway (see, below, Career) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_of_Galloway * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Quincy,_2nd_Earl_of_Winchester Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester. b. 1195 d. 4/25/1264 or 65 (sources vary), hereditary Constable of Scotland, was a nobleman of Anglo-Norman and Scottish descent who was prominent in both England and Scotland, at his death having one of the largest baronial landholdings in the two kingdoms. 2nd son and eventual heir of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and his wife, Margaret, daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester. Since Roger’s older brother Robert had died a few years earlier, he inherited his father’s estates but was not recognised as earl until his mother died in 1235. Career. He married a major heiress, Helen of Galloway, daughter of Alan, Lord of Galloway. On her father’s death in 1234, he acquired her share of the paternal inheritance, which consisted of the hereditary office of Constable of Scotland and one-third of the lordship of Galloway. The title of Lord of Galloway, however, went through Helen’s half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John Balliol [father of John Balliol, King of Scots].   In 1235 the Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by King Alexander II of Scotland. Further unrest in 1247… found de Quincy trapped in a castle, from which he escaped to obtain help from King Alexander in suppressing the rebellion…   In England he... was gradually drawn into the baronial opposition to the rule of King Henry III. He joined with other nobles in 1239 and 1246 in written remonstrances to the Pope about papal interference in English affairs. In 1258, he was elected by the barons to the twelve-member commission charged with overseeing the revised constitution of the Provisions of Oxford and was appointed also to the committee to arrange the financial aid promised to Henry. In 1259 he led a delegation to St Omer that forbade the King’s brother Richard, Earl of Cornwall from returning to England unless he swore to observe the Provisions of Oxford. After this de Quincy played little part in national affairs.   He died aged about 69 on 4/25/1264, eighteen days after the outbreak of civil war, and was buried at Brackley. Having no male heir, the earldom of Winchester became extinct and his estates were divided between the husbands of his three daughters. Family. He married three times, leaving three daughters from his 1st marriage to Helen of Galloway: Margaret aka Margery m: William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby; Elizabeth aka Isabel m: Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan; Helen m: Alan de la Zouche. (Roger de Quincy) m2 (1250) Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford -no children. (Roger de Quincy) m3 (1252) Eleanor de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby -no children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brackley Brackley is a town in south Northamptonshire, England. (Brackley Castle) Originally held in 1086 by Earl Alberic. After this it passed to the Earl of Leicester, and to the families of De Quincy and Roland. Henry III attacked and destroyed the castle in 1173. It comprised a motte mound 10 feet high and approximately 44 yards in diameter with an outer bailey to the east. Archaeological excavation has revealed evidence of a ditch defining the perimeter of the bailey. The Town was the site of an important meeting between the barons and representative of the King [John of England] of 1215, the year of Magna Carta. Market day was on Sundays until 1218, when it was changed to Wednesdays... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloway Galloway is a region in southwestern Scotland comprising the historic counties of Wigtownshire and Kirkcudbrightshire. A galwegian referred to a population of mixed Scandinavian and Gaelic ethnicity that inhabited Galloway in the Middle Ages. When Alan, Lord of Galloway died in 1234, he had three daughters and an illegitimate son Thomas. The ‘Community of Galloway’ wanted Thomas as their ‘king’. Alexander III of Scotland supported the daughters (or rather their husbands) and invaded Galloway -he was victorious and divided Galloway up between Alan’s daughters, thus bringing Galloway’s independent existence to an end. Roger de Quincy received one-third of his wife’s share and the the hereditary office of Constable of Scotland. Earls of Winchester. Roger de Quincy d. 4/25/1264, buried Brackley… he succeeded his father in 1219 as Earl of Winchester, but was not recognised as such until after his mother’s death… He succeeded his father-in-law in 1234 as hereditary Constable of Scotland “Rogerus de Quency”... His earldom reverted to the crown on his death. m1: Ellen of Galloway, daughter of Alan Lord of Galloway and his 2nd wife, ... de Lacy, of the Isles… daughters: Margaret de Quincy d. bef 3/12/1281 m: William de Ferrers. Ellen de Quincy d. bef 8/20/1296 m: Alan II la Zouche. Elizabeth de Quincy m: Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan son of William Comyn. Robert and his wife had three children: Anne, a nun Joan de Quincy d. 11/25/1284 m: Humphrey VI de Bohun,, son of Humphrey V de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and essex and his first wife Maud de Lusignan. Hawise de Quincy b 1250 d. bef 3/27/1285 m: Baldwin Wake, son of Hugh Wake and his wife Joan de Stuteville. http://www.thepeerage.com/p10776.htm#i107760 The Peerage. Robert de Quincy m: Helen ferch Llywelyn, children: Joan de Quincy m(10/27/1265): Humphrey de Bohun d. 1283 and Hawise de Quincy b. c. 1250 d. before 3/27/1285. *Index *Quincy, Sir Robert de Qynci [Quincy), 355, Note III (pg 439) Sir Roger de Sancto Andrea was a witness with “Sir Seer de Quincy, Earle of Wincestre,” [Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester] and others, to the grant by Hawise de Qynci [Hawise de Quincy -his daughter-in-law, spouse of his son, Robert de Quincy] in her widowhood to the brethren of the Holy House of the Hospital of Jerusalem in England of five merks of silver yearly during her life for the soul of Robert de Quinci, her late husband. (see, Robert de Quincy d. 1217 m: Hawise of Chester) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_High_Constable_of_Scotland The Lord High Constable of Scotland is a hereditary, now ceremonial, office of Scotland. In the order of precedence of Scotland, the office traditionally ranks above all titles except those of the Royal Family. The Lord High Constable was, after the King of Scots, the supreme officer of the Scottish army. He also performed judicial functions as the chief judge of the High Court of Constabulary…   The office became hereditary in the 12th Century and was held by the Comyn family, but they ended up on the wrong side in the Wars of Scottish Independence. Since then it has been held by the Hays of Erroll, later Earls of Erroll.   From 1234-1265, Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester held the office by his marriage to Helen, daughter of Alan Galloway who a leading Scottish magnate and one of the most influential men in the Kingdom of Scotland and Irish Sea zone; Roger received the hereditary office when Alan died in 1234. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisions_of_Oxford *Provisions of Oxford are often regarded as England’s first written constitution. Installed in 1258 by a group of barons led by Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester, the provisions forced King Henry III of England to accept a new form of government. The power to decide the form of this government was placed in the hands of a council of twenty-four members, twelve selected by the crown, twelve by the barons… a 15-member Privy Council to advise the king and oversee the entire administration. The selected men were to supervise the ministerial appointments, local administration and the custody of the royal castles. Parliament, meanwhile, which was to meet three times a year, would monitor the performance of the council...

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*3rd cousin 24x removed Robert (2nd son of that name, d. 1257) de Quincy -son of Saer aka Saher de Quincy b. 1170 and Margaret de Beaumont m: Elen ferch Llywelyn b. 1206 d. 1253. *Robert doesn’t have a wikipedia page but his wife Elen does (see, below) Earls of Winchester. Robert b. 1217/19 d. Aug 1257 -his birth date range is suggested on the assumption that he was born after the death of his older brother also called Robert, although his mother would have been over 45 yrs old at the time. m: Helen of Wales, widow of John “the Scot” Earl of Huntingdon and Chester, daughter of Llywellyn ap lorwerth Fawr (“the Great”) Prince of Wales and his 2nd wife Joan (illegitimate daughter of John King of England) d. bef 10/24/1253. The Annals of Dunstable record that “Johannes comes Cestiae” died in 1237 and “eius uxor… filia Lewelini” married “Roberto [de Quinci]” against her father’s wishes. A writ after the death of “Eleanor, sometime the wife of Johnn Earl of Chester”, dated “the eve of St Martin 38 Hen III”, records the “partition of her lands between Si J. de Bayllol [John Balliol], Robert de Brus, and Henry de Hasting, the heirs of the said earl”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elen_ferch_Llywelyn_(the_Elder) Elen ferch Llywelyn (the Elder) was the daughter of Llywelyn the Great of Gwynedd in North Wales by Joan, Lady of Wales, the natural daughter of King John of England. m1 (abt 1222): John of Scotland, 9th Earl of Huntingdon, 1237 he died and she was forced by King Henry III to marry Sir Robert de Quincy… Royal connections: Elen was ancestress of Queen consorts Anne Neville, consort of Richard III and daughter of Warwick, the Kingmaker, as well as Catherine Parr, the last wife of Henry VIII. In Fiction. Child of the Phoenix by Barbara Erskine. Here Be Dragons by Sharon Kay penman. Falls the Shadow by Sharon Kay Penman: In Penman’s version, Elen and Robert de Quincy were lovers, and she married him immediately on John’s death despite her father’s opposition. References. Michael Hicks, Warwick, the Kingmaker (2008). David Baldwin, The Kingmaker’s Sisters: Six Powerful Women in the Wars of the Roses, 2009 *Queen Catherine Parr descends from Warwick’s sister, Lady Alice FitzHugh [Neville]. daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llywelyn_the_Great Llywelyn the Great -by a combination of war and diplomacy he dominated Wales for 45 years -m: King John’s natural daughter Joan in 1205.

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*3rd cousin 24x removed Hawise de Quincy -daughter of Saer aka Saher de Quincy b. 1170 and Margaret de Beaumont m: Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford. Earls of Winchester. Hawise b. 1200/12 d. aft 2/3/1263 m: Hugh de Vere, Earl of Oxford.

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*3rd cousin 25x removed Saher II de Quincy. b. 1138 d. 1190-92; son of Saher aka Saer de Quincy and Maude aka Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz Earls of Winchester. Saher II de Quincy ‘Seherus de Quinci” b. 1138 d. 1190/92. in 1166, recorded “Saerius de Quincy” held one and one half knights’ fees from “Roberti de Chokes” in Northamptonshire. (Jody Gray) I’m wondering if Roberti de Chokes is Robert de Cockburn. (Jody Gray) he’s identified in the wikipedia page of Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester: *his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173… Saer II’s line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family’s Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.

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https://www.houseofnames.com/de+quincey-family-crest House of Names, de Quincey family.   The De quincey surname is one of the many Norman names that came to Britain following 1066 (William the Conqueror).

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http://www.northamptonshireheritage.co.uk/learn/built-heritage-and-the-historic-environment/Pages/castles.aspx Northhamptonshire heritage, Castles.

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de Quincy, alliances Royal Connections: Saher aka Saer de Quincy. b. 1100 m: Maude aka Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz. Her mother, Matilda m1: Simon I de Senlis m2: David I, who became King of Scots and she became Queen of Scots. She was the daughter of Waltheof, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton and Judith of Lens -niece of William the Conqueror -she was daughter of  Adelaide of Normandy and Lambert II, Count of Lens. -by his first marriage, Lambert II was the father of Walter aka Seier the Fleming de Seton, progenitor of the de Wahull’s of Scotland. -he m: Jonet de Quincy. Robert de Quincy b. 1127 pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from 1160 as a close companion of his cousin William the Lion King of Scotland -(through his grandmother, Maude m2: David I, King of Scots, -William the Lion, her grandson) Robert m: Orabilis of Leuchars -through his marriage obtained lands in Fife, Perth and Lothian, was granted the castle of Forfar (by William the Lion) He accompanied Richard I King of England on crusade in 1190 and participated in the capture of Antioch in July 1191. Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester. b. 1170.  In 1211 to 1212, commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion’s campaign against the Mac William rebels… he was among the 25 guarantors of the 1215 Magna Carta. In early 1216, he travelled to France with Robert FitzWalter to invite Prince Louis of France [1223-1226] to take the English throne -as a consequence his lands were seized by King John as a consequence and granted to William Marshal, son of the Earl of Pembroke. In Sept 1217 he returned to the allegiance of King Henry III. and his lands were restored to him. In 1219, he joined the Fifth Crusade, where here became ill and died… Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester b. 1195 m: Helen of Galloway, on her father’s death in 1234, he acquired her share of the paternal inheritance, which consisted of the hereditary office of Constable of Scotland and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (he did not receive the Lordship of Galloway title).In 1258, he was elected by the barons to the twelve-member commission charged with overseeing the revised constitution of the Provisions of Oxford and was appointed also to the committee to arrange the financial aid promised to Henry III, King of England. He died 1264 without male heir, the earldom of Winchester became extinct and his estates were divided between the husbands of his three daughters. Robert de Quincy (2nd son of that name) d. 1257 m: Helen of Wales, daughter of Llywellyn ap lorwerth Fawr (“the Great”) Prince of Wales and his 2nd wife Joan (illegitimate daughter of John King of England) Elen ferch Llywelyn (the Elder) was the daughter of Llywelyn the Great of Gwynedd in North Wales by Joan, Lady of Wales, the natural daughter of King John of England. m1 (abt 1222): John of Scotland, 9th Earl of Huntingdon, 1237 he died and she was forced by King Henry III to marry Sir Robert de Quincy… Royal connections: Elen was ancestress of Queen consorts Anne Neville, consort of Richard III and daughter of Warwick, the Kingmaker, as well as Catherine Parr, the last wife of Henry VIII. Marriage connections: Richard de Quincy. b. 1066 d. 1125 m: Judith Orabilis. Saher aka Saer de Quincy. b. 1100 d. 1158 m: Maude aka Maud or Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz -widow of Robert Fitz Richard (of the De Clare family) Robert de Quincy. b. 1127 d. 1197 m: Orabilis of Leuchars. Saer aka Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester. b. 1170 d. 1219 m: Margaret de Beaumont. Their children: Roger de Quincy b. 1195 m: Helen aka Ellen Galloway Robert de Quincy d. 1257 m: Elen ferch Llywelyn Robert de Quincy d. 1217 m: Hawise of Chester Arabella de Quincy m: Sir Richard Harcourt Lora aka Lorette de Quincy m: Sir William de Valognes Hawise m: Hugh de Vere, Earl of Oxford. Children of Roger de Quincy b. 1195 and Ellen of Galloway. Margaret aka Margery m: William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby; Elizabeth aka Isabel m: Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan; Helen m: Alan de la Zouche. m2 (1250) Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford -no children. m3 (1252) Eleanor de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby -no children. Places -Maps. Cuinchy, Pas-de-Calais, France -origin of Cuinchy aka Quincy Family. Robert de Cuinchy aka Quincy and Richard de Cuinchy aka Quincy Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England. Saer de Quincy, Lord of Long Buckby (Lands in Scotland) Fife, Perth, Strathearn, Lothian. Robert de Quincy, through his marriage to Orabilis of Leuchars Galloway, Scotland. Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, through his marriage to Helen, daughter of Alan, Lord of Galloway.

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