Theory, how the Scottish Protestant Kennedy's became Irish Catholics

(Jody Gray) in this Blog Post, using the locations listed for them in my Ancestry.com Tree, I follow their movement from Ayrshire, Scotland to Ulster (County Tyrone), Ireland to County Donegal to County Wexford.

  The son of Gilbert Kennedy 7th Laird of Bargany and Jean Stewart; Gilbert 1593-1627 born and died in Ayrshire, Scotland. “Next Group” Son, Thomas 1618-1716 born in Ayrshire, Scotland; migrated between 1639 and 1648 (birth of his son) to County Tyrone, Ireland (joining his cousins Andrew and Robert Stewart (Baron Castle Stuart by James VI of Scots). Robert fought as an officer in the 1641 Irish Rebellion on the side of the Ulster Catholics, under leader Feilim O’Neill cousin of his wife. It is unknown if Thomas Kennedy fought in the rebellion, he would have been 21 years old. His son Thomas 1648-1740 Ulster. Son Thomas 1690-? Ulster. Son John 1715-? Ulster. “Final Group” John 1740-1803 m: Bridget Swallow Ulster. Son Patrick 1760-1824 County Donegal, Ulster; migrated to County Wexford, Ireland; where the most important fighting took place in the 1798 Irish Rebellion. It is unknown if Patrick fought in the rebellion, he would have been 38 years old. Son Patrick 1785-1824 County Wexford m: Mary Johanna 1800 County Wexford. Patrick 1823-1858 Wexford married Bridget Murphy 1824-1888 Wexford *they both emigrated to Boston, Ma in 1849, married and settled there. Most likely, Bridget was related to the Murphy Catholic Priests who fought and died in the 1798 Irish Rebellion. *Media: Murphy Surname, Ireland. All the Murphy’s in Wexford are thought to have descended from Dermott’s brother, Murrough. Ma. Marriage Records for Patrick Joseph m: Mary A Hickey lists his parents as Patrick and Bridget. And, there is a Ma Marriage Record for Bridget Murphy and Patrick Kennedy 9/26/1849. Ma Death Record for Bridget, parents: Richard and Mary Murphy.

(Jody Gray) Conclusion: if you consider that the Stewart’s, beginning with Robert, changed their allegiance to the Irish Catholic “cause” for political reasons and the Kennedy’s that migrated to Ireland joined them, it “works” all the way to JFK. I think the “key” to explaining how the Kennedy’s ended up in Ireland (and “switched” from the Protestant (Presbyterian) Reformation cause in Scotland to the Irish Catholic cause in Ireland is the Stewart family connection.

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My Piper Family connection to JFK?

(Jody Gray) Is JFK my  27th cousin 2x removed? If he is related to the Stewart's of Scotland's Monarchy, then, yes. However, it appears that there is no verifiable records of his ancestry prior to his immigrant ancestors, Patrick Kennedy and Bridget Murphy who emigrated from Ireland in 1848 and settled in Boston, Massachusetts. The only information in regard to Patrick's "origins" comes from US Census records that state he was born in 1823, in Ireland. there are no civil records or church records to identify his parents… corroborative paperwork, or even gravestones, have yet to surface…
  I spent WEEKS researching the possibility, see, *Media: Piper relationship to President John F. Kennedy -this lineage comes from the Dowling Family Tree; the names, titles, birth dates are from this tree. The Dowling Tree lacks validation and I found some missing links, which are noted as *missing link.
  I broke the project into groups. The Stewart-Kennedy connection. Media: House of Stewart and the Albany Stewarts: Marjorie Bruce (1297-1316), the daughter of Robert I, the Bruce, King of Scots, she married Walter Stewart, 6th High Steward of Scotland (1296-1327). Robert II, King of Scots (1316-1390). Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany (1340-1420). Murdoch Stewart, Duke of Albany (1362-1425). Walter Stewart (1395-1425). Media: Descendants of Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany: Walter Stewart (1424-1488). Alexander Stewart (1440-1489). Andrew Stewart, Lord van Avandale (1470-1513). *missing link, Andrew Stewart, 1st Lord Ochiltree (1490-1548). Andrew Stewart, Lord Ochiltree (1521-1591). Andrew Stewart (1540-1578). Jean aka Janet Stewart (1566-?) married Gilbert Kennedy, 7th Laird of Bargany (1576-1601). Media: Piper Family connection to JFK, “Next Group”: Gilbert Kennedy (1593-1627). Thomas Kennedy (1618-1716). Thomas Kennedy (1648-?). Thomas Kennedy (1690-?) John Kennedy (1715-?). Media: Piper Family connection to JFK, “Final Group”:
*missing link, John Kennedy (1740-1803). Patrick Kennedy (1760-1824). Patrick Kennedy 1785-1824). Patrick Kennedy (1823-1858). Patrick Joseph Kennedy 1858-1929. Joseph Patrick Kennedy (1888-1969). John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917-1963).

Related Media: Media: Lineage to JFK from John Kennedy b. 1325 Scotland. *Source, Dowling Family Genealogy. Media: Origins, Kennedy’s of Scotland vs Kennedy’s of Ireland. Media: Fergus as progenitor of the Stewart Kings of Scotland.

(Jody Gray) Considering the lack of evidence, regarding JFK’s family origins prior to his immigrant ancestors, I would not claim a connection to him. However, I am not going to delete the Kennedy people from my tree because the research that I did may help others. And, I am related to the Monarchs of Scotland and the Carrick Kennedy’s of Scotland; verifiable up to Thomas Kennedy (1618-1716).

House of Stewart and the Albany Stewarts

(Jody Gray) The story of the Kings of the Royal House of Stewart and their cousins, the Albany Stewarts. It reminds me of the Mafia. James I King of Scots, executed his cousins because they were potential heirs to the throne of Scotland.

Scotland.

Robert Bruce, King of Scots

son, David II King of Scots

daughter, Marjorie Bruce m: Walter Stewart

    Robert II Stewart King of Scots; creates Royal House of Stewart

       Robert III (born John) Stewart King of Scots

          David Stewart, Duke of Rothesay

          James I King of Scots

       Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany *Albany Stewarts

           Murdoch Stewart, executed by James I in 1425

              Walter and Alexander, executed by James I in 1425

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart House of Stuart, Originally Stewart, was a European royal house that originated in Scotland. The dynasty’s patrilineal Breton ancestors had held the office of High Steward of Scotland since the 12th century, after arriving by way of Norman England. The royal Stewart line was founded by Robert II, and they were Kings and Queens of Scots from the late 14th century until the union with England in 1707. Mary Queen of Scots, was brought up in France, where she adopted the French spelling of the name, Stuart. Her son, James VI of Scotland, inherited the thrones of England and Ireland upon the death of Elizabeth I in 1603. Except for the period of the Commonwealth, 1649-1660, the Stuarts were monarchs of the British Isles and its growing empire, until the  death of Queen Anne in 1714.

 In total, nine Stewart/Stuart monarchs ruled Scotland alone from 1371 until 1603. James VI of Scotland then inherited the realms of Elizabeth I of England, becoming James I of England and Ireland in the Union of the Crowns. Following the Glorious Revolution in 1688, two Stuart queens ruled the isles: Mary II and Anne. Both were the Protestant daughters of James VII and II by his first wife. Their father had converted to Catholicism and his new wife gave birth to a son in 1688, who would be brought up a Roman Catholic and would precede his half-sisters; so James was deposed by Parliament in 1689, in favour of his daughters.

Etymology. The name “Stewart” derives from the political position of the office similar to a governor, known as a steward. It was originally adopted as the family surname by Walter Stewart, 3rd High Steward of Scotland, who was the third member of the family to hold the position. Prior to this, family names were not used, but instead they had patronyms defined through the father; for example the first two High Stewards were known as FitzAlan and FitzWalter respectively.

http://www.theroyalhouseofstewart.com/descendants_of_the_royal_house_of_stewart_016.htm *Descendants of the Royal house of stewart. Robert was the only son of Walter Stewart and Princess Marjorie, daughter of Robert Bruce, King of Scots. In 1318, when it appeared that Robert Bruce might die without a male heir, the Parliament of Scotland decreed that the crown should pass to Princess Marjorie's son. In 1324, Robert Bruce's second wife gave him a son, they named him David. When his father died in 1329, David became King of Scots, he was 5 years old. During his minority, Sir Thomas Randolph, 1st Earl of Moray was appointed Guardian of Scotland. Robert Stewart began to take a prominent part in the affairs of Scotland. He was one of the leaders at the battle of Halidon Hill in July 1333; after gaining some success over the adherents of Edward Balliol in the west of Scotland, he and John Randolph Earl of Moray were chosen as regents of Scotland while David sought safety in France. When Randolph fell into the hands of the English Robert became sole regent. King David II returned to Scotland in 1341; he accused Robert Stewart of deserting him when he was captured at Halidon Hill. Robert rebelled against King David in 1363 and was imprisoned along with four of his sons. He was released shortly before David's death in February 1371. David died childless and the throne was passed to Robert; he was crowned King Robert II at Scone March 26, 1371, establishing the House of Stewart. His son John, Earl of Carrick was recognized as heir apparent. When John became King of Scotland in 1390 he changed his name and became Robert III King of Scots. Robert II had another son named Robert who was made Duke of Albany. By the year 1389 King Robert III's health had deteriorated so much that the Scottish Parliament appointed his eldest son, David, Duke of Rothesay to be lieutenant of the kingdom to rule in his father's place. David provoked an English invasion and then failed to prevent the English from capturing Edinburgh. Robert, Duke of Albany (his uncle) had him arrested and imprisoned in St Andrew's castle; he was later moved to Falkland Palace when he died in 1402. In 1406, supporters of James (younger son of Robert III, now heir to the throne) were beaten in battle by the forces of Robert Duke of Albany and James was sent into hiding. James was captured by English pirates and handed over to King Henry IV of England; he was in captivity when Robert III died and Robert Duke of Albany was made Regent of Scotland. He continued in power until his death in 1420. His son Murdoch Stewart succeeded him. He was Justiciary of Scotland north of Forth and designated of Kinclevyne. He was taken prisoner by the English at the battle of Homeldon September 14, 1402. King Henry IV of England allowed him to be at large on his own parole of honor. In 1415 he was exchanged for Henry Percy of Northumberland. Arrangement for the release of James I King of Scots were made and he was returned to Scotland in April 1424. His coronation took place at Scone May 21, 1424, Murdoch Stewart performed the ceremony. On May 13, 1424, Sir Walter Stewart, eldest son of Murdoch was arrested (along with others) were arrested and imprisoned. On March 21, 1425 Murdoch and his son Sir Alexander Stewart were arrested (in all, thirty barons and knights were arrested; many were released shortly afterward); at the same time King James I seized the castles of Falkland and Doune and imprisoned Murdoch's wife Isobell in the castle of Tantalon. May 26, 1425, court was held in Stirling Castle, Walter Stewart, eldest son of Albany, was tried before the King and a jury of 21 barons, found guilty, condemned and beheaded. The following day, Murdoch and his son Alexander and the aged Earl of Lennox, were tried, convicted and sentenced to death, all lands and titles forfeited. They were executed on Heading Hill before the Castle of Stirling; their heads were transported to the Tantallon Castle where they were thrown into the dungeon beside Murdoch's wife Isobell in an effort to drive her insane.

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Piper relationship to President John F. Kennedy

*John Fitzgerald Kennedy 1917-1963

Joseph Patrick Kennedy 1888-1969

Patrick Joseph Kennedy 1858-1929

Patrick Kennedy 1823-1858

Patrick Kennedy 1785-1824

Patrick Kennedy 1760-1824

John Kennedy 1740-1803

John Kennedy 1715-

Thomas Kennedy 1690-

Thomas Kennedy 1648-

Thomas Kennedy 1618-1716

Gilbert Kennedy 1593-1627

Jean aka Janet Stewart 1566-

Andrew Stewart 1540-1578

Andrew Stewart Lord Ochiltree 1521-1591

Andrew Stewart Lord van Avandale 1490-1513 (Battle of Flodden)

Alexander Stewart 1440-1489

Walter Stewart 1424-1488

Walter Stewart 1395-1425 (tried for treason, beheaded)

Murdoch Stewart Duke of Albany 1362-1425 (tried for treason, beheaded)

Robert Stewart Duke of Albany 1340-1420

Robert II Stewart King of Scots 1316-1390

Marjorie Bruce 1297-1316

Robert I the Bruce de Brus King of Scots 1274-1329

Robert VI de Brus 6th Lord of Annandale 1243-1304

Robert V de Brus 5th Lord of Annandale 1210-1295

Robert IV de Brus 4th Lord of Annandale 1195-1226

William de Brus 3rd Lord of Annandale 1158-1212

Robert II de Brus 2nd Lord of Annandale 1121-1189

Robert de Brus 1st Lord of Annandale 1083-1141

Adam I de Brus Lord of Skelton 1120-1166

Adam II de Brus Lord of Skelton 1135-1180

Peter I de Brus 1170-1222

Peter II de Brus Baron of Skelton 1196-1241

Margaret de Brus Heiress of Kendal 1226-1307

William Roos 1272-1310

Thomas de Ros Baron of Kendal 1307-1390

John de Roos 1332-1358

Elizabeth de Roos Heiress of Kendal 1356-1407

John Parr Lord of Kendal 1383-1407

Thomas Parr Knight 1404-1464

William I Parr Baron of Kendal 1434-1484

William Parr Baron of Horton 1484-1547

Elizabeth Parr (Lady) 1510-1613

Fulk Woodhull Knight 1530-1613

Lawrence Woodhull Esq 1570-1620

Richard Woodhull 1620-1690 (immigrant to America)

Richard II Woodhull 1649-1699

Dorothy Woodhull 1687-

Phineas Helme 1723-1798

Woodhull Helm Sr 1777-1845

Elizabeth aka Eliza Helm 1802-1907

Maria Antoinette Stevens 1825-1907

Mary Francis Hendry 1845-1926

Eliza Lucretia DeLong 1881-1917

Lucile Marie Piper 1904-1971

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Jonet de Quincy

(Jody Gray) I thought Jonet was a french name. I was surprised to learn that it was a Surname, see House of Names (below). Used as a ‘given’ name, Jonet, is an Medieval Scottish variant of Janet aka Gennat or Jane. There are many variations of the name; Jonet or Janet are the ones that showed up MANY times in the House of Cockburn Genealogy Book: so it seems to have been a common ‘given’ name in Scotland, in this case, related to the Cockburn Family. Said to be pronounced, jo-net or jon-et. Jonet is a rare ‘given’ name for a girl in the United States.

House of Names: Jonet Surname: The Anglo-Saxon name Jonet comes from the biblical name of Jane. This name was first used in England during the 15th century, and was originally derived from the Old French Jehanne, which also had biblical origins from Johannes. The surname Jonet was first found in Yorkshire, where they held a family seat from very early times. Jonet Spelling Variations: Before the last hundred years, the English had no fast system of spelling rules. Janot, Janet, Jannett, Janette, Jannett, Jenet, Jennet, Jenett. (Jody Gray) I have also found Joan, Jean and Judith aka Jueta.

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*House of Cockburn Genealogy Book: Joneta Lindsay m: II John Cockburn -Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston.   2nd son of Sir Alexander and Mariota de Veteri-Ponte I John de Cokburn (becoming, II John Cockburn of Ormiston) m: Joneta aka Janet Lyndessay aka Lindsay, only child and heiress of Sir Alexander, Lord of Ormiston -through this marriage, John became Lord of Ormiston and from them, Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston. Joneta Ottirburn m: Sir James Cockburn -their son, VII Alexander Cockburn, heir-apparent of Langston.   Joneta, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall by his wife Joneta Stewart. Janet Hume aka Home m: William Cockburn V. Christopher Cockburn of Choicelee m: Jean or Janet, daughter of Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth IX. Sir John Cockburn of Ormiston… He m1: Janet, daughter of Alexander Home of Manderston, Co. Berwick (pg 211) A contract was made 5/21/1583 “between John Cockburn of Ormiston, Mr. John Cockburn, his eldest lawful son and apparent heir, and Janet Home, his spouse… John Cockburn (1620-1680) Governor of Stirling Castle and Hume Castle, Janet Home aka Hume m: William Cockburn Janet m: Cockburn. *Note: (pg 370) The will of James Cokburn of Schouslie, 5/20/1586… daughter, Janet (Cokburn).... Janet Geddes m: G. (George) Cockburn of Henderland Janet Rannie m: Baron Cockburn (pg 142) Janet Somerville m: William Cockburn of Ormiston (pg 197) Janet Hepburn m(1643): John Cockburn of Ormiston Janet of Blackadder m: William Cocburn of Langton Janet Herries m: Sir James Cockburn of Skirling -daughter and co-heiress of William, 3rd Lord Herries of Terregles (pg 482) Tuedy of Drummelzier, James, last Baron of Thane’s Castle Drummelzier, marries Widow of Sir William Cockburn of Skirling -troubles his Mother, Janet Herries, Lady Skirling, 246, 247… Other ‘noteworthy’ Janet Janet Bethune aka Beaton/Beton/Betoun wife of Sir Walter Scott -daughter of Cardinal Beaton. *Seton aka Setoun Family. -moved to PC/Doc: Seton Family. Janet Seton m: Sir John Bellenden of Achinoule (Auchintoul) (pg 480), daughter Elizabeth m? (pg 216) Janet Turnbull m: John Setoun (pg 426)

*Lindsay aka Lyndessay Family.

*BP: de Quincy Family. Sir Alexander Lindsay, Lord of Ormiston; his only daughter and heiress, Joneta aka Janet m: II John Cockburn who through the marriage became Lord of Ormiston and through them, Cockburn descendants of the House of Ormiston.   (note: Sir Alexander’s youngest nephew, William Lindsay, Lord of Byres, one of the heroes of The Bruce’s time, companion-in-arms of Wallace). (pg 186) Joneta’s father was the next younger brother of Schir Dawy the Lyndyssay… the contract was witnessed 2/23/1370… that morning when John Cockburn and Janet Lindsay walked between the crowd of brave knights and fair ladies to the door of the church… how King David kissed the bride, and led her out to the dance floor afterwards. (pg 187) Accompanying some of them would be the young married dames, and the maidens who were to attend their friend Joneta on the occasion, mounted on mettled palfreys, such as the one William de Seytone brought to Westminster on 12/19/1312, as a gift from Edward to “Lady Nicola,” wife of Piers de Luband, in the days of his prosperity, when he was styled “Dominus de Cokburn.” (pg 188) We may believe that brilliant were the scenes witnessed in after years when Lady Joneta held her Court in the halls of Ormiston. (pg 189) John Cockburn, who was made Constable of the County of Haddington, an office held for generation by his descendants, had by his wife Joneta… (pg 233) Captain George Cockburn… the deeds alienating the heritage which had come down to him in uninterrupted succession from John de Cokburn and Joneta Lyndessay, his wife, married in /1370… (pg 427) invaded John Lord Lindsay, Sheriff of Fife… David Cockburn m: Katherine Smyth… his sons were John, his heir, Walter and Andrew; he had two daughters, Jonet and Isabelle. David d. 1570.

*Ottirburn aka Otterburn Family.

*BP: de Quincy Family. Ottirburn, Ottirburne, (Index, pg 478) Otterburn… Joneta Ottirburn aka Ottirurn m: Sir James Cockburn -their son, Alexander Cockburn, heir-apparent of Langston.   Joneta, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall by his wife Joneta Stewart.    *note: (pg 139) Jacobo et Jonete Ottirburne ejus sponse et… dicte Jonete au cui cunque sponse diciti Jacobi cum… http://www.red1st.com/axholme//placesearch.php?psearch=Reidhall%2C+Colinton%2C+Midlothian%2C+Scotland&tree=Axholme *Map, Edinburgh -other, Dunfermline (across the estuary). Linlithgow, Haddington, East Saltoun. 1. Ottirburn, Sir Adam, Reidhall, Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland d. 1548. Son, Sir John Ottiburn. Daughter, Joneta Ottirburn m: Sir James Cockburn b. bef 1513 d. 6/4/1578, their son, William Cockburn d. bef 1595. Janet Ottirurn (pg 140) (pg 148) VIII. Alexander, called of Leyiswod and Stobbiswod… the son of Janet Otterburn. (pg 150) XII. William Cockburn of Langton m: Janet, daughter of John Home of Blackadder, by his wife Beatrice… William who succeeded in 1587 to have been the son of a William, son of Alexander, eldest son and apparent heir of Sir James and Janet Otterburn his first wife. (pg 440) Note VI. -page 68. Janet or Janeta Ottirburn 1st wife of Sir James Cockburn of Langton, daughter of Sir John Ottirburn of Reidhall, by his wife Janet Stewart, daughter of John, 3rd Earl of Athole.

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(pg 152) William’s wife, Janet Home aka Hume… (pg 211) A contract was made 5/21/1583 “between John Cockburn of Ormiston, Mr. John Cockburn, his eldest lawful son and apparent heir, and Janet Home, his spouse… *see, also, John Cockburn (1620-1680) Governor of Stirling Castle and Hume Castle. (pg 215) IX. Sir John Cockburn of Ormiston… He m1: Janet, daughter of Alexander Home of Manderston, Co. Berwick… (pg 381) V. Christopher Cockburn of Choicelee, By his wife Jean or Janet, daughter of his neighbor Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth, by his wife Janet, daughter of Sir Thomas Ker of Ferniehirst… (pg 442) Note XV -pg 303. Jean, wife of Christopher Cockburn of Choiceless, daughter of Sir Patrick Hume of Polwarth, by his wife, daughter of Sir Thomas Ker of Ferniehirst, the brave and loyal friend of Queen Mary (of Scotland). Sir Thomas married twice. By his first wife, Janet, daughter of the gallant Sir William Kirkaldy of Grange (also Mary Stuart’s most devoted friend, who never deserted her in her direst distress), he had Andrew, first Lord Jedburgh, Jean, and Sophia, wife of Joseph Johnston of Hilton in the Merse. By his second wife, also named Janet, the sister of Sir Walter Scott of Buccleuch, he had three sons, -James, who succeeded his half brother as second Lord Jedburgh, Thomas of Oxnam, and Robert, the favorite of James VI., who made him Viscount Rochester and then Earl of Somerset.

*Seton aka Setoun Family. House of Cockburn -Index.

(pg 216) he m2: Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Bellenden of Achinoule (Auchintoul), by his second wife Janet Seton. (pg 426) VI. David Cockburn of Trettoun had succeeded to the lands before 1515, when his name appears as witnessing a charter by John Setoun and Janet Turnbull, his wife…

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Joan de Quincy d. 1283 m (10/27/1265): Humphrey de Bohun http://www.thepeerage.com/p10776.htm#i107760 The Peerage. Robert de Quincy m: Helen ferch Llywelyn, children: Joan de Quincy d. 1283 and Hawise de Quincy b. c. 1250 d. before 3/27/1285.

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*Error, Jonet de Quincy -geni profile page. *https://www.geni. *Geni.com Jonet de Quincy b. 1068 Winchester, Hampshire, England d. ? Winton, Edinburgh, East Lothian, Scotland. (Jody Gray) this geni profile lists another spouse, Robert fitzLancelin and son, William Lancelin. My Research, Results for Jueta aka Judith de Quincy m: Robert fitzLancelin *daughter of Saher aka Saer de Quincy, Lord of Long Buckby m: Maude aka Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz d. 1163. I added this information to *BP: de Quincy Family. http://gray-adamsfamily.blogspot. * Saher aka Saer de Quincy b. 1100 d. 1158 m: Maude aka Maud or Matilda de Senlis aka St Liz.

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Related, The de Seton Family Tree and Jonet de Quincy. (Jody Gray) as a member of Ancestry.com where I have my Gray-Piper Family Tree, I have access to other Ancestry member family trees as research tools. I found one for Jonet aka Judith, de Quincy b. 1068, Winchester, England d. ? Scotland. Spouse: Walter “Dougall” de Seton (de Lens), son, Alexander (Seher aka Serio) de Seton b. 1087 d. 1165. This Family Tree follows a different lineage (Edmund Quincy of the Scottish Quinceys, immigrant to Boston, MA). Media: de Seton family tree, info from stirnet. (Jody Gray) I downloaded the Word Document to my computer. de Seton family tree, info from stirnet.doc. Much of the information reported here is subject to serious doubt. It appears that though many have tried, so far no-one has been able to determine a truly-reliable pedigree for these early generations. The early generations of this family are difficult to ascertain with any certainty. It appears that, probably a long time ago, a Seton pedigree was produced that has since been reported by various sources. Various parts of that pedigree have been rejected by some modern genealogists for it mixed-up different branches of the family and sometimes showed brothers and cousins as fathers and sons. The following attempts to make sense of the matter, relying heavily on (Winton) and (Eglinton) neither of which (pub. 1850 and 1934) show the opening connection which appears to have come from the old pedigree (comes from the Seton Family website) This lineage begins with Saier de Lens was father of Walter de Lens aka Walter the Fleming aka Dougall de Seton m: Janet de Quincy (?? daughter of Quincy, Earl of Winchester. (Jody Gray): the Saer aka Saher de Quincy who was the 1st Earl of Winchester b. ca 1170. is a far later generation of de Quincy than Jonet de Quincy b. ca. 1068). This pedigree then follows Alexander de Seaton (1150); which is the de Seton lineage that leads to Christopher de Seton 1278-1306 m: Christiana de Brus 1278-1356 -sister of Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots 1274-1329… However, that lineage to Christopher de Seton is not variable -he has a wikipedia page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Seton ], which states he was the eldest son of Sir John de Seton of Skelton, Cumberland (No connection has as yet been discovered to Alexander de Seton, Governor of Berwick -last edit, 6/1/2017). Consequently, for my Ancestry Family Tree, I don’t include a lineage to Alexander de Seton (1150). To me, it is not important to create a ‘Pedigree’ father-to-son lineage to my 1st proven ancestor. Instead, I can state that my ancestor is a descendant of this family.   It is impossible to create a verifiable ‘Pedigree’ chart prior to the time of established surnames and the creation of government financial record systems(for tax purposes) and church records of their ‘membership’ (birth, baptism, marriage, death, burial). Unless the person was a monarch or emperor or a person of nobility who was buried inside the church they were a patron of -which is why the earliest dates available are ‘death or burial’.   Other information that helps establish a person’s lineage (place of Origin) is Family Alliances…

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